West Seneca Planning Board Meeting Minutes 10/19/2005
Chairman Joseph Ciancio called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. followed by the Pledge to the Flag.
ROLL CALL: Present -
Robert Niederpruem Jr.
William P. Czuprynski, Code Enforcement Officer
Paul Notaro, Deputy Town Attorney
Absent - Edwin P. Hunter
Chairman Ciancio read the Fire Prevention Code instructing the public where to exit in case of a fire or other emergency.
APPROVAL OF PROOFS OF PUBLICATION
Motion by Rathmann, seconded by Greenan, to approve the proofs of publication and posting of legal notice.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Mendola, seconded by Nigro, to approve Minutes #2005-08 of September 21, 2005.
NEW BUSINESS COMMUNICATIONS
Motion by Niederpruem, seconded by Mendola, to open the public hearing.
Mike Green, Vice President of Development for Delta Sonic, addressed the Planning Board members regarding a request to modify the Delta Sonic on Langner Road. Mr. Green stated that the existing facility was located on an 80,000 square foot lot and they were expanding the site to 108,000 square feet with additional land acquired from the Benderson Development property adjacent to the Delta Sonic. Existing structures will be demolished, including the 2100 square foot convenient store, the self-serve car wash, and about 5000 square feet of the retail area. Storage Pro, another Benderson entity, will be using the remaining portion of the retail area. A new 8000 square foot convenience store will be constructed with a 6000 square foot detail center attached to it. Adjacent to this will be a three bay oil change facility. The gas pumps will be reconfigured and the number of dispensers increased from five to ten pumps with 20 pumping stations. A new gas canopy will be constructed over the existing islands. A drive-thru Dunkin’ Donuts will be part of the convenience store and they had provided 12 stacking spaces for the drive-in. The stacking lane for the car wash was reconfigured so the cars would go around the backside of the facility and stack into three pay booths. Total stacking will be 67 vehicles, which was comparable to the Walden Avenue and Niagara Falls Blvd. locations. This reconfiguration would eliminate the current conflict between cars exiting and entering the car wash and going for gas.
Mr. Greenan questioned if the detail operation would be comparable to the detail shop at Orchard Park Road and Southwestern Blvd.
Mr. Green responded that the service was similar, but the proposal for this location was more state of the art and similar to the operation at Walden Avenue and Main Street in Buffalo. The shop is open and has a 12-foot wide moving conveyor belt where the employees do the work while the car moves along.
Mr. Mendola questioned if the car wash building would be renovated.
Mr. Green responded that the car wash would be renovated, but he did not have the architectural plans for that yet. There would be no expansion, but they would be matching the architecture on the store and detail shop. Mr. Green stated that they had hired an architecture firm that dealt in high-end retail and had designed some of the top end convenience stores. The West Seneca location will be the first prototype. The convenience store will have a Dunkin Donuts, a hand carved station like Charlie the Butcher, brick oven pizzas, salads, etc. The existing store did very well at this location and the new store will be an enhancement to the area.
Mr. Green responded that there was no power generation on site; it was all from Niagara Mohawk. There were settling pits inside the car wash where dirt was settled out and another pit that acted as an oil separator before the water went to the sanitary sewer. Water from the new detail shop and oil change shop will go through oil separators before going to the sanitary sewer. The slight increase into the sanitary sewer will be from the convenience store. The car wash would not be changed and there was not a lot of water usage with the detail shop.
Mr. Rathmann questioned how the storm water would be treated with the new Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) regulations.
Mr. O’Brien stated that it was difficult to employ the new DEC requirements on this site. A lot of people were using ponds and wetlands, but there were minimum drainage areas required to employ those, and they did not have this. The sand filters that the DEC want to used for filtration also will not work because the outfall pipe at this location is only buried about two feet and that is not enough to make the sand filter work. Mr. O’Brien stated that they would be making a submission to the DEC next week for a 60-day review. Typically a redevelopment project was supposed to try to meet the water quality goals, but they were a lot more flexible. The site was already paved and all of the pollutants and runoff that were being generated now was not going to change. The amount of runoff would actually be reduced by about 2 percent. This was minimal, but they were not increasing any of the paved areas so they would not need any detention systems. If the DEC did not approve this they would have to pump storm water, but this was not a preferred alternative.
Mr. Rathmann questioned if this system discharged into the nearby wetlands.
Mr. O’Brien advised that it did discharge into the wetlands, but he did not believe there would be an increase in pollution going into the system unless the volume of cars changed significantly. Mr. O’Brien stated that nothing was changing substantially. The existing drainage would still go to the same place; it would just be rerouted through the site.
Mr. Rathmann was concerned with the entrance and exit and the 8-foot radius on the curves. He suggested that this be changed to a 14-foot radius to make it easier to maneuver.
Mr. Rathmann referred to the landscape plan presented and stated that he was not opposed to plantings but did not believe there should be shrubbery in the island areas because of the sight distance.
Mr. Mendola questioned if anyone had contacted the Erie County Highway Department about this proposal.
Mr. Green responded that he would contact Erie County and they would probably want input on the driveway location.
Mr. Mendola referred to the lighting and stated that because of the size of the complex they had to ensure that they were not blinding the people driving down Langner Road.
Mr. Green stated that a photometrics plan was submitted. There should be very little, if any, lights shining towards the road.
Chairman Ciancio thought that the ingress/egress should be more defined with some type of light standard.
Mr. Green referred to the property line and the islands at the entrance. He did not know if the County of Erie would give approval for them to put a sign out there.
Mr. Rathmann questioned if there was an overhead sign over the four lanes. He further commented on the 13-foot inside turning radius of the drive-up lane and thought it might be too tight or awkward to make a reverse turn.
Mr. Green responded that they were looking to do something that would clearly define the lanes. He noted that the island was more than 30 feet wide, so the turn should not be a problem for most vehicles.
Motion by Greenan, seconded by Niederpruem, to close the public hearing.
Chairman Ciancio stated that the plans submitted were incomplete and the petitioner had requested that this item be postponed until the November meeting.
Motion by Greenan, seconded by Rathmann, to table this item until the petitioner submits a full set of plans and specifications.
Motion by Greenan, seconded by Rathmann, to adjourn the meeting at 8:00 P.M.
PATRICIA C. DEPASQUALE, RMC/CMC